[wtgreen]

Please... I miss having Bonsai on my handheld, and running it via Classic is a hassle and misses out on the WebOS-specific interface improvements. WebOS is a great platform, very actively supported and continually enhanced by Palm, and it already has two devices using it. While the Pre and Pixi have so far been exclusive to Sprint in the US, they are about to be released by other carriers too including Verizon.

I hope you guys haven't given up on Palm. They were misguided and allowed their platform to languish for quite a while, but I know I'm not alone in having my love for Palm renewed by WebOS. Come join the party!

[bnystrom]

Just to be honest, WebOS currently isn't on our radar. Perhaps after we see what kind of traction its market gets once it's on other carriers. The prospect of some of the other devices is much greater at the moment, and our resources are limited. WebOS, as a technology, looks interesting, but Palm Inc. hasn't done anything yet to entice me as something I can bet on being here in another couple of years. I'm not saying we will never go there, but right now it's not likely.

[yurkennis]

bnystrom, on 23 December 2009 - 12:06 PM, said:

Just to be honest, WebOS currently isn't on our radar. Perhaps after we see what kind of traction its market gets once it's on other carriers. The prospect of some of the other devices is much greater at the moment, and our resources are limited. WebOS, as a technology, looks interesting, but Palm Inc. hasn't done anything yet to entice me as something I can bet on being here in another couple of years. I'm not saying we will never go there, but right now it's not likely.

Bryan, did I understood it correctly that in the 2010 one shouldn't seriously expect that a native WebOS version of Bonsai will be released?

[bnystrom]

yurkennis, on 01 January 2010 - 06:26 AM, said:

Bryan, did I understood it correctly that in the 2010 one shouldn't seriously expect that a native WebOS version of Bonsai will be released?

Let's just say it isn't currently the highest (or second highest.. or maybe even 3rd highest) on our radar scope at the moment.

[yurkennis]

bnystrom, on 06 January 2010 - 02:39 PM, said:

Let's just say it isn't currently the highest (or second highest.. or maybe even 3rd highest) on our radar scope at the moment.

Thank you Bryan, it gives some idea on future with WebOS--even despite the fact that Natara is very convervative about disclosing plans and giving estimates.

But could you give some idea what are the top platforms on your radar for Bonsai, except WinMobile?
Which platform is the most likely to get a port of Bonsai? Does iPhone (and BlackBerry) have the highest chances, as the poll suggests? Or is it Android?

Thank you again.

[Christozoid]

yurkennis, on 07 January 2010 - 12:39 PM, said:

Thank you Bryan, it gives some idea on future with WebOS--even despite the fact that Natara is very convervative about disclosing plans and giving estimates.

But could you give some idea what are the top platforms on your radar for Bonsai, except WinMobile?
Which platform is the most likely to get a port of Bonsai? Does iPhone (and BlackBerry) have the highest chances, as the poll suggests? Or is it Android?

Thank you again.

We, the WebOS users, don't have a chance of having Bonsai soon. Start looking for alternatives. Have any body tried Outline Tracker? http://outlinetracke...cker/index.html

[jenmkconsultant]

I will say that I am extremely disappointed that Bonsai isn't looking at WebOS/Pre. I recently bought the Bonsai/Daynotz thinking that the company would develope their software to advance with the Palm. I mean... +90% of your current products are geared for the Palm, except for the desktop versions. I would assume that the majority of your customers are Palm users and also upgrading to the Pre or at least considering it their current software being available for the Pre.

I understand the business side of things wanting to put your invested time/money into something that will be around... however, your current customers are Palm users. One way to help Palm to stay around is for the programs that are currently being used & trusted software on the PalmOS to move over to the WebOS platform.

I will never own a Blackberry or an iphone (unless it becomes more of a serious device instead of fun, networking teen device). Unless there is an update for the new Pre (or I’m forced to use a different smartphone) then you will not be having my repeat business. I will not go backwards and only use a desktop version for my todo/projects/outlines. I rely heavily on having my data available on my smartphone as well as desktop. The portability is essential.

I sincerely hope that Natara rethinks its business decision. You based your company on Palm OS... and now you are going to alienating & leaving those of us loyal to Palm high & dry, searching for an application that's comparable. Also, if you wait too long to develop a WebOS application and Palm is able to hang around for a long time then those of us who like Bonsai (etc.), but were forced to find an alternative application won't be there to buy your webOS software. You will have lost us as customers to another company. If I'm using a system/software that works and have invested the time to learn the software/input data along with the money, then why would I want to make the switch back to Natara?

Just my thoughts...

[Karl Fife]

bnystrom, on 23 December 2009 - 12:06 PM, said:

Just to be honest, WebOS currently isn't on our radar. Perhaps after we see what kind of traction its market gets once it's on other carriers. The prospect of some of the other devices is much greater at the moment, and our resources are limited. WebOS, as a technology, looks interesting, but Palm Inc. hasn't done anything yet to entice me as something I can bet on being here in another couple of years. I'm not saying we will never go there, but right now it's not likely.

I know that Natara has a business to run, and so even though it pains me to say it, if I were in Natara's shoes, I probably wouldn't develop for WebOS (either) until we see if HP is able to get momentum behind WebOS (which is in my informed opinion the best mobile operating system to date, poor adoption notwithstanding).

Bonsai as a product is in a category by itself, and that is why long-time loyal users (such as myself) are screwing around [sic] with half-ass products like "outline tracker" which completely miss the ZEN efficiency/flexibility of Bonsai. Quite simply they are currently no replacements for Bonsai. That's incredibly frustrating for individuals who have built nontrivial amounts of their lives around the application.

I think that one of the fundamental components that make Bonsai so powerful is its ability to make a personal data repository available ANYWHERE, (currently 'anywhere' means "with a handlheld device running Windows Mobile or PalmOS"). I use bonsai 98% of the time at the Windows desktop, but much of the POWER of bonsai (in my opinion) comes from being able to retrieve that data elsewhere. I don't think anyone cares how the logistics of that happens. By that I mean that every mobile OS worth discussing these days has a robust web2.0/ajax-capable browser, and I think a majority of the utility of Bonsai could be preserved by allowing mobile access to data that had been efficiently entered at the desktop "from the cloud" using a modern mobile browser (or even from a desktop browser away from home).

Not only would such a framework automatically be cross-platform TODAY allowing anyone on any of these rapidly evolving platforms to benefit from Bonsai, but it might drive revenue with a subscription model (recurring revenue from securely hosting bonsai data stores in the cloud).

In the future for added efficency, a web-framework could eventually be integrated far more easily into to any mobile operating system as an 'app' ideally with a local repository (html5 cache) for online/nearline access.

Just my 2¢ from a thoughtful, long-time loyal customer.

-Karl

[Christozoid]

Karl Fife, on 23 June 2010 - 02:03 PM, said:

I know that Natara has a business to run, and so even though it pains me to say it, if I were in Natara's shoes, I probably wouldn't develop for WebOS (either) until we see if HP is able to get momentum behind WebOS (which is in my informed opinion the best mobile operating system to date, poor adoption notwithstanding).

Bonsai as a product is in a category by itself, and that is why long-time loyal users (such as myself) are screwing around [sic] with half-ass products like "outline tracker" which completely miss the ZEN efficiency/flexibility of Bonsai. Quite simply they are currently no replacements for Bonsai. That's incredibly frustrating for individuals who have built nontrivial amounts of their lives around the application.

I think that one of the fundamental components that make Bonsai so powerful is its ability to make a personal data repository available ANYWHERE, (currently 'anywhere' means "with a handlheld device running Windows Mobile or PalmOS"). I use bonsai 98% of the time at the Windows desktop, but much of the POWER of bonsai (in my opinion) comes from being able to retrieve that data elsewhere. I don't think anyone cares how the logistics of that happens. By that I mean that every mobile OS worth discussing these days has a robust web2.0/ajax-capable browser, and I think a majority of the utility of Bonsai could be preserved by allowing mobile access to data that had been efficiently entered at the desktop "from the cloud" using a modern mobile browser (or even from a desktop browser away from home).

Not only would such a framework automatically be cross-platform TODAY allowing anyone on any of these rapidly evolving platforms to benefit from Bonsai, but it might drive revenue with a subscription model (recurring revenue from securely hosting bonsai data stores in the cloud).

In the future for added efficency, a web-framework could eventually be integrated far more easily into to any mobile operating system as an 'app' ideally with a local repository (html5 cache) for online/nearline access.

Just my 2¢ from a thoughtful, long-time loyal customer.

-Karl

Karl,

There seems to be a small number of WebOS users that have, like you and I, built their life around an Hierarchical Outliner app. I'd like to form somewhat of aN "Outliner user group" to get some clout and pledge funds for the development of robust app for WebOS. Have any ideas?