[welred]

Hi,
I like Bonsai as an outliner, todo links are great, and the Back2Bonsai link on the palm desktop is an excellent feature. But I really need a better desktop calendar, and I've been considering Agendus (as Datebk5 still doesn't have a desktop - most unfortunate.) From browsing these forums I see that the back2bonsai feature doesn't work with agendus - any idea if this has improved with the new v.10? Anybody tried the new v.10 with bonsai yet? It's been out only a week or so.

(I gather that I can work around the back2bonsai issue rather clumsily by putting a tag in the notes section . . . ?)

thanks - Susan

[StuGib]

Hi Susan,

Disclaimer first - this is theoretical from memory, I haven't checked it out myself. I'm still using Agendus v9 (always best to wait until Iambic release a bugfix version or two!) but I don't expect v10 is any different.

There's 2 things you're asking here I think - whether B2B supported on the Agendus handheld (v9/v10) and on the Agendus desktop (v3.3)?

On the handheld, AFAIK both Agendus and Bonsai use and interpret the '[' and ']' characters on the todo/calendar item description differently. Agendus uses it to identify the associated contact; Bonsai inserts the Back2Bonsai item code (e.g. [BL121], or whatever the format is).

So if you create a Bonsai entry called 'My todo' and link it to a todo with B2B enabled, then look at it in Agendus, the contact field for 'My todo' will have 'BL121' in it. Similarly if you create a todo ('Agendus todo') in Agendus, give it a contact (e.g. 'Susan') and import it into Bonsai, you'll probably see 'Agenus todo [Susan]' (though not sure what Bonsai does when it finds [xxx] and xxx isn't a B2B link).

In both cases, the actual data stored in the todo database is 'todo description [extra info]' - start up the built in todo/tasks application to see this.

Now, if you change the Bonsai options to put the B2B link in the note, not the description, it will keep it separate from Agendus' contact information and will probably then work.

As for the desktop. I can't see the Back2Bonsai button in my Agendus desktop, and I'd be surprised Iambic enabled add-ins support TBH. I think there was a question about this on the Iambic forums a few days ago (may have been you?)

Stuart

[bnystrom]

The problem is:

Iambic/Agendus ASSumes that anything between [ and ] belongs to them (regardless), and respresents a contact. Bonsai (B2B) will see an [ xxx ] and ONLY does something with it if there is a tag BZ and a digit of some sort. Since it's like talking to a brick wall to get any cooperation out of Iambic (trust me, we've tried on various matters in the past), we'll have to end up supporting alternative tagging such as { xxx } or something other than [].

[welred]

Yes, that was me on the Agendus forum -- still no answer over there, so extra thanks for the help here. I notice Agendus has now released 10.01, with a 2 page list of things that are now "more stable" - so I'll agree that waiting a bit is a good idea.

Having the tag in the notes section may be workable for now, but an alternate tagging system would be great.

Cheers.

[George]

The next beta post will have an alternate for the tagging.

[welred]

Wow - great! You guys are so responsive. Ever thought of making a palm/windows desktop calendar program so I don't have to hassle with Agendus? BTW, Daynotez is absolutely my favorite palm ap. Thanks for the good work.

[justaaron]

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... I've been considering Agendus (as Datebk5 still doesn't have a desktop - most unfortunate.)

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I was evaluating the 10.something version (not beta) of Agendus and gave up on it.

I really, really wanted Agendus to work, it has a fabulous feature set.

However, it soft-reset my Treo 650 3 times. Also, in one of the views (I forget which), when I used the GoTo date function, and tried to GoTo Today, it took me to Mar 4 1904 (and times were hard back then, let me tell you). The resets and the date problem (on a calendar app no less) made me uneasy.

When I went to their support forums they were unreadable, filled with "rrr..." Maybe that was because of my browser (Mozilla), but hey it has to work in my world, right?

I went with DateBook5. The lack of a desktop is not a problem, because DateBook just uses the installed Calendar etc databases. You can use Palm Desktop (or Outlook I guess) no problem, all your DateBook data is there since DateBook doesn't have its own database, it's just an alternative presentation of the installed databases. I think it's fabulous, and Back2Bonsai works great with it.

Like I said, I really wanted Agendus to work, I love its feature set and interface, but either it's too unstable for me or I'm too unstable for it.

[welred]

I gave up on it too. If you could read their forums, you would find a lot of people griping about getting no answers to their queries. Thanks for the response. I like datebk5 a lot, also. It hotsyncs wonderfully, no problems, but I spend more time on the desktop than I do on my palm, so I'm looking for a more fully featured desktop.

[TMDH]

Susan,
Have you tried Palm Desktop 4.0? It's older, but as far as I'm concerned, much better than newer versions. I use the calendar extensively and it's pretty versatile. I can add repeating events and then go back and modify the individual events without disrupting the rest of them. I also like the function keys (F2-calendar,F3-contacts,F4-palm to do,F7-Bonsai). When Palm came out with 4.1, they took a big step backwards as far as features go. I find 4.0 isn't wonderful, but it's pretty good and pretty functional. FYI, I no longer use the Palm To Do list because I use Bonsai for all my to-do's. Keep it simple.

[logan]

Hello,

I couldn't find any actual information about how Bonsai and Agendus v10 for Palm can interoperate with Back2Bonsai. Therefore I'd like to add it here:

Having the latest versions of Bonsai and Agendus v10 for Palm on my T3, I can tell you that you can perfectly use the Back2Bonsai feature. For this to work properly (without putting the Bonsai link tag into the note of a item), you have to go to the tab page called Links in the Bonsai global settings. I suggest to use "Bonsai link tag format: <space> {BZ00}" and disable the "Append link tag to notes" option.

By using this settings, it is wonderful to use the Back2Bonsai tool to switch between Agendus Palm and Bonsai.

Hey guys of Natara: Regarding interoperability with datebooks, the support for different link tag formats in Bonsai was one of the best decisions you've made. You wanted interoperability with Agendus and Iambic did not do anything for it. You adapt Bonsai to work with other applications and this is the correct decision.

Regarding Agendus Desktop and Bonsai Desktop: The only thing you can do today is to start Bonsai Desktop from the Agendus Shortcuts menu. Back2Bonsai could work if Agendus Desktop would provide a VB/VBScript API. But this is something I don't have any information about.

For the Palm thing, I am really happy with both.

Yours,
Logan

[logan]

Hello again,

have I been too late with my previous blah blah?


Greetings Logan

[mattiasj]

Well I'm mega late - except i have solution:

Install AutoHotkey set it up like this:

;-------------------------------------------------------------------
; Find tag in bonsai
;-------------------------------------------------------------------
^+b::
Send ^C
clipboard := RegExReplace(clipboard, "(.*){(.*)}(.*)", "$2")
StringReplace, clipboard, clipboard, BZ, , All
Run "%ProgramFiles%NataraBonsaiBonsai.exe" /LinkTag:%clipboard%
return

Just select a line with a Bonsai {BZxx} link and press Ctrl-Shift-b to go to bonsai!

Cheers

[dIR]

mattiasj,

this is a great solution, thank you!

However when starting Bonsai from AutoHotkey, Bonsai would only open in a small window and never in a full screen window which would be more preferable.

I will be very grateful for a solution for this problem.

[mattiasj]

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Originally posted by: dIR
mattiasj,

this is a great solution, thank you!

However when starting Bonsai from AutoHotkey, Bonsai would only open in a small window and never in a full screen window which would be more preferable.

I will be very grateful for a solution for this problem.

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You can do it like this:

;-------------------------------------------------------------------
; Find tag in bonsai
;-------------------------------------------------------------------
^+b::
Send ^C
clipboard := RegExReplace(clipboard, "(.*){(.*)}(.*)", "$2")
StringReplace, clipboard, clipboard, BZ, , All
Run "%ProgramFiles%NataraBonsaiBonsai.exe" /LinkTag:%clipboard%, Max
return

(resolved after 4 years LOL)

/Mattias