Natara User Forums

I Found A Promising Replacement For Bonsai

Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:25:46 +0000

The software is called OmniOutliner but it is designed to run on Mac only.
The best thing is that it can sync with iPad! I think Bonsai is dying (if it is not dead yet) and it is about time for us to move on.

P.S. The functionality of OmniOutliner is probably more powerful than Bonsai.

Bosai For Android??

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:51:11 +0000

Looks like Android is gonna be the iPhone killer eventually - - is Natara going to build a Bonsai for Android?

Outline Bloat

Sun, 08 Jan 2012 17:13:23 +0000

Due to a corrupted outline I've been poking around inside a .otl file, and noticed hundreds of entries like this:

These entries are taking up a significant portion of the space in the outline. Is it safe to delete them? Is there some way to get Bonsai to do this?

I'm using "desktop only v5.0.1 build 3178".

Thanks,
Tony

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Bonsai For Android Is A Must

Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:29:51 +0000

I am another of those palm users who have tried to hang on to that dying platform.
There were so many great things about palm and it will be sorely missed.
In a new age we have Apple and Android phones taking over the role.
I find it almost impossible no incomprehensible to believe there is not a very
lucrative market for Bonsai running on these platforms.
if this information can be shared by multiple users from a central database it would
be an absolute killer.
Is there anybody out there who is prepared to do this ? Step up big guy / gal we so need you.

Merry Xmas to all.

Bonsai For Android And More

Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:51:21 +0000

I recently switched from Palm Centro to Google Android Nexus One, although I've been a Palm user since the beginning with Palm / US Robotics. I've been a Natara Bonsai user since the beginning as well. Bonsai became my flat file database on my palm devices. So what I struggle to understand is a product (Bonsai) and company (Natara) with such strong customer loyalty would be so slow to expand to other platforms and OSes when Palm began to decline. It appears decisions were made not to grow the product or business.

There is no comparable product for Android or iPhone/iPad or Blackberry or Windows Mobile or webOs that is as simple to use with a desktop sync option to complement it. I'm not talking checklist, they are a dime a dozen. Simple outlining tools that give the user the ability to customize them the way they wish and which best meets their needs.

Natara has ignored the other mobile platforms too long and needs to move quickly to offer products on Android (growing), iPhone/iPad (maintaining), Blackberry, and webOS. I may eventually go back to Palm/HP and webOs, but once a comparable outlined to Bonsai is available on Android and I convert my data to the new product it's unlikely I'll ever move back to bonsai.

I'm not sure about other Bonsai users, but I'm not interested in moving the data in Bonsai to the clouds (RTM, tasks, etc) I want it with me and able to sync to my pc maybe my iPad but I want it with me. Bonsai is the best simple flat file application in my toolkit, and I'd like to continue using it on whatever platform or OS I'm using but for now I carry my Google Nexus One and my Palm Centro(PDA mode) only for Bonsai. As soon as I find an Android app that will do what I need then I'll switch and not look back. I'm testing mind mapping apps now to see if they meet my needs.

Natara you have a short window of opportunity to keep your loyal customers but you've been slow to adapt to the changing smartphone landscape, get moving!

Natara Programmers Refuse To Listen To Their Customers

Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:29:24 +0000

Can somebody in the executive offie tell me why Natara REFUSES to listen to their customers?

If you read through the forums you will see many requests for a IPhone, Blackberry and Android version. MOST pocket PC users have put away their pocket pcs and palms and switched to one of the 3 mentioned smartphones and now they can not use their software. I for one have been a Daynotz user for many years but about 2 years ago I put away my pocket pc for a blackberry and will not go back. Where I used to be on Daynotz many times a day, now I never use it since it is only available on my laptop.

I do not understand a company that is not willing to progress.

Anybody else agree with me or am I alone in my beliefs?

Am I wrong about PPC and Palms? Are they not fading away? Are people still caring them in addition to their cell phones /smartphones?

FoxMulder's GTD 2.0 for Bonsai

Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:05:07 +0000

I'm wondering if anyone has a copy of FoxMulder's GTD 2.0 Template for Bonsai (I have the desktop sync version). I posted a request for it on his PalmOrganized.com website a few days ago but he seems to be out right now and I'd like to get a copy to start GTDing right now. If you know of a site on the Internet I could download it, I'd be most appreciative. Otherwise if a site does not exist please email it to me. To email me a copy please input the following email address into your email program:

1) first start with the proper name 'David' and then add a dot after it
2) then add the proper name 'Alan' and then add a dot after it
3) then add the proper name 'Hart' and then add the at sign after it
4) then add the name 'gmail' then add a dot
5) finally add com to the end.

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Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:11:23 +0000

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Windows 7

Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:27:19 +0000

I just upgraded to a Windows 7 Home Premium netbook and set up DayNotez which I am using and syncing OK to my TX, but it is very,very slow at times, with regular 'not responding' messages. Is this going to be normal with Windows 7?
Also the dates format in the custom view is not correct ie 3/24/2011 rather than my preferred 24/3/2011, which seems to be OK in other views. Is this a bug?

Daynotez On Android

Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:55:54 +0000

I used daynotez on the PC smartphone and it was the best of the best of that type application. I have transitioned to the MyTouch (android) with tmobile and can find a lot of note apps for this phone, but non as good as Daynotez. With roughly 30 new android phones currently hitting the market, you guys thinking about developing an android version?

I use 3Bananna software for notes and it does 'cloud' sync with my data which is stored on a server somewhere. Kinda neat. I also use SplashID which does a wireless sync with my desktop on demand. Either method is good, but like your desktop software - so would prefer the wireless sync method.

Any hope for an android version?

Linux Daynotez Desktop Under Development -- Any Interest?

Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:17:17 +0000

Greetings,

A few years ago there was some activity on this forum from people who wanted to see a native linux DayNotez desktop. I'm writing one for my own use, using wxGTK for GUI and sqlite3 for data storage. So far I've got the test harness reading every record from the PalmOS database, converting it to a PC record that can be stored in the database, then converting it back to PalmOS format. A compare of each record with its original verifies a good conversion. The sync framework is in place but not complete yet (I'm forcing a slow sync every time).

I intend to make it look and feel just like the Windows version. It will run on linux only; the Windows desktop already works just fine. All libraries will be statically linked in, which means the executable will be quite large, but will have NO dependencies. It should run on any X terminal.

So... is there still any interest? If so, let me know so I'm not wasting my time. I know Natara won't be able to support it so I'll be happy to offer support on an email-only basis.

Cheers, Bert

Decent Bonsai Alternatives

Fri, 02 Sep 2011 15:36:43 +0000

After literally years of searching (like many of you), I think I have finally settled on my "next" outlining tool. I definitely acknowledge that nothing comes close to Bonsai. Period. That being said - we gotta go somewhere since the Bonsai option seems to be history.

I am heavily using Wunderlist (http://www.wunderlist.com). It syncs: Windows Desktop, iPhone, iPad, Mac, Android and has a browser UI as well. All synchronized automatically.

Again - it still doesn't match Bonsai for functionality. But I have done a lot of looking, and the synchronization capabilities are the best I have seen. It works.

Win 7 64 Bit Drivers

Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:49:35 +0000

This was listed in the Feature Request page: http://www.natarasoftware.com/forums/index.php/topic/6990-bonsai-for-android-and-more/

Win 7 64 bit drivers: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10119/aceeca-releases-64bit-palm-os-hotsync-drivers/

Worked well for me.

Alternatives To Bonsai

Thu, 04 Aug 2011 01:53:14 +0000

As long as for many months there's no official news on future of Bonsai, I think it's fair that community tries to find a decent alternative.

I tried to describe the most viable alternatives to Bonsai [I found so far] for desktop plus either iPhone or Android.
My post is clearly not any complete or precise -- feel free to propose additions/changes (and suggest more alternatives, of course), and I will merge your contribution back to the original post (kinda wiki style using old good forums :-).

If Natara objects, however, I will move this post to other place (Quora? Google Knol?).

=== MyLifeOrganized / MLO (Android, iPhone, Blackberry)
Status: limited-availability Beta (Android), public Beta (iPhone), released (Blackberry, WinMo, Windows desktop)
(all comparison is based on desktop version, as Android beta is still under development and I promised not to comment before it's public; haven't tried iPhone app hands-on)

Advantages over Bonsai:
= unlimited contexts, multiple per item
= sync: cloud or over-WiFi
= computed importance
= advanced rules for auto-formatting and custom filtering, grouping and sorting in tasks plain list (but not for outline tree--see below)
= reminders
= recurring tasks
= dependencies between tasks within one outline
= relative importance of task for a parent project/item
= multiple instances/windows of application allowed

Disadvantages:
= no outline filtering
= somewhat complicated UI, maybe even redundant in features (i.e. same variety of user scenarios could be supported with much simpler UI and less features--see Things for example)

Other:
= no tabbed UI, but each-outline-has-separate window UI
= potential ability to export back to Bonsai with all previously imported metadata preserved (as all Bonsai fields have fields to match in MLO) -- but only if someone create MLO XML > Bonsai XML conversion

How to migrate:
= ask me for full-fields export template (will submit it to MLO team later); or use limited template instead
= with template in hand, invoke in Bonsai: Export > MyLifeOrganized-Bonsai (change Windows Regional Settings: date format to YYYY-MM-DD until this feature request is resolved)

=== Android Outliner (Android)
Status: public Beta

Drawbacks:
= no desktop client
= need manual export-import from-to Bonsai desktop for every sync (planned: normal sync with desktop app)
= no categories/start dates (only due date and completion flag)
= non-ASCII characters are imported from Bonsai incorrectly (but typed in Android app just fine)
= no drag-n-drop moving of items/branches
= no filters whatsoever (even hiding completed/future Start Date)
= poor performance for large outlines (for an outline with 5k items, every edit item dialog ends with 10sec delays)

Potential advantages (planned in the roadmap):
= reminders
= option to sync with could

Advantages:
= pretty simple UI

=== LifeBalance (iPhone)
Advantages:
= also Mac desktop application (in addition to Windows)
= computed importance (sortable by in plain list)
= calculates how efforts are actually balanced between top-level outline items ("goals"); auto-prioritize basing on desired balance (and how actual doesn't match it)
= importance of task for a parent project/item
= sync over wifi

Disadvantages:
= no Android app yet
= somewhart complicated UI (but not as much as MLO)

=== CarbonFin (iPhone)
Disadvantages:
= no categories/tags; filters; start/due date
= no filters whatsoever
= web-only on desktop side (and no Windows application); not available offline
= sync via cloud only

=== Things (iPhone)
Not exactly an outliner, but some users find it a good alternative.

Advantages:
= extremely GTD-friendly: most GTD needs are solved, with extremely simple and elegant user interface
= recurring tasks
= multiple contexts per item
= context hierarchy

Differences:
= sync: cloud, ?over-WiFi

Drawbacks:
= Mac-only desktop application, no Windows desktop app; only iPhone, no Android app
= no unlimited hierarchy, three fixed levels instead: Areas > Projects > Tasks (both Areas and Projects are optional)
= no easy way to convert Task to Project and vice versa
= no import from Bonsai

Top 5 Future Cell Phones

Sat, 30 Jul 2011 02:38:52 +0000

Since the introduction of the iPhone, the cell phone market in the United States has started to shift. Before the iPhone, most smartphone owners in the United States were enterprise users. That means they owned a smartphone for business purposes. They'd check e-mail and browse the Web, often while driving, weaving in and out of traffic and scaring the rest of us.
But the iPhone helped introduce the general consumer to smartphones. Its sleek design and intuitive interface appealed to a wide audience. It didn't hurt that Apple partnered with AT&T, the second-largest cell phone carrier in the United States, for U.S. distribution. Soon lots of people were exploring advanced phone features while attempting to navigate through city traffic. Isn't progress wonderful?
In many ways, the iPhone was a game-changing device. It proved that customers in the United States were ready to join the smartphone customer base. Meanwhile, smartphone users in Europe and Asia quietly chuckled while they used their own phones to watch television or control major financial institutions.

Google Android

Sat, 30 Jul 2011 02:30:29 +0000

As Google prepares to add a new category to its arsenal of portable devices with tablets, the company's mobile team is deploying ways to better tie its different systems together.
It might not come as a surprise that the internet giant is using the Web to do that.
Like smartphones, this new breed of tablets will run Android, an operating system developed by Google. This next version of Android, called 3.0 or Honeycomb, is its first designed for tablets but will also run on smartphones. Like Apple does with its closed system, Honeycomb will let users buy applications on computers and synchronize them between their Google gadgets.

Syncing With Windows 7

Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:24:14 +0000

I'm a long-time Bonsai user, and I'm in the process of migrating to a new PC, which is Windows 7. Anyhow, I'm trying to get my PDA software set up, and I haven't gotten Bonsai to sync. I can create outlines on both the desktop and the PDA, but neither gets synced to the other. (I'm guessing that this has something to do with the fact that the Palm Desktop's data is now in AppData\... instead of C:\Program Files\...) Oh, yeah -- I'm using Bonsai 4.2.5.

Anyhow, is there something I can do about this? Go to a newer version of Bonsai? Some special configuration of the Palm software?

Q:sync To File With V4.2.7?

Tue, 05 Jul 2011 13:33:34 +0000

Can I setup Bonsai Desktop V4.2.7 to sync to a file instead of a device? I have moved away from Palm and I have another App that mostly works, but I need to be able to configure to sync to a file and not a Palm User.

TIA,
Larry

How To Import Icon Gallary In Bonsai Destop

Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:08:28 +0000

I am a new user using Bonsai 5.04 syncing with my windows mobile smartphone. How can I import icons for categories and keywords? The option in global setting for icon location is unable to edit.

Thanks for your suggestion.

Bonsai For Iphone

Sun, 05 Jun 2011 17:16:08 +0000

I posted my thoughts about Bonsai for iPhone here - http://www.natarasoftware.com/forums/index...ost&p=25662 and hope to get a feedback from other Bonsai users and Natara.

I think that Bonsai is a superb application both for personal and business needs and can't understand why Natara totally ignores iPhone market. I'm sure that this market has a huge financial potential for the company but still we don't have Bonsai for iPhone. Why?

Bonsai Beta For Wm

Sun, 05 Jun 2011 07:39:41 +0000

Is there ever going to be another update for the 'evaluation code' for Bonsai's WM Beta? It has been months. It looks like the project is finally well and truly dead? Devs, please at least let us know if we should keep some hope, or if it's time to have the funeral and start looking for a replacement product.

a 6+ year Bonsai User

Crash Importing Palm No_*.pdb Files

Sun, 03 Apr 2011 08:28:13 +0000

Bonsai Desktop (just installed as trial today) crashes immediately when I import a Palm pdb file created by Bonsai Palm version 2.8.1.

I'm trying to get off this ancient Palm device (Zodiac Z2), but I've got huge amounts of precious Bonsai outlines. The aim here is to export to Outliner for Android. (I would have preferred an Android version of Bonsai!)

I don't even have working hotsync. I use a file manager (FileZ) to copy the NO_*.pdb files to an SD card, and read the card on my Windows Desktop.

Would an upgrade to a more recent version of Bonsai Palm solve this problem?

Please help, there is far too much data here to enter manually.

Thanks.

Is Daynotez Dead?

Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:26:37 +0000

I'm curious, is daynotez being developed any further? I cannot find any news of future versions for new phones or pdas. I've been holding off upgrading my windows phone (probaly windows phone 7), in the hopes of SOME news of a compatible Daynotez version. I would go Android or even !Gasp! iPhone, but I have yet to find a comparable app that will satisfy my needs as Daynotez has! I've even followed Natara on twitter, but find NO mention of any new developement! I am/will continue to use this excelent product, but I don't know how much longer I can hold off! Even if there was some kind of emulater for the new OS's. Just my 2 bits worth.

iPhone version

Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:05:36 +0000

I am giving serious thought to jumping to the iPhone when my current contract expires in August. I love your program and would like to see a version for the iPhone. The desktop will run on my new Mac under parallels so only the iPhone port would be absolutely necessary. Is this anything you have under consideration?

I sincerely hope so.
Thanks
Walt